Eagle
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| 07/19/2007 9:33 AM |
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| Hey guys it's early and believe it or not i just got back from doing a performance at a family friends car dealership. I never really planned on doing a performance it just kind of happened. while i was over their i forgot a golden rule in routine structure "always save the best for last" (at least thats my golden rule). i made the big mistake of performing the haunted pack to a girl by herself. It turns out her brother (who is really into magic)and a few other people who worked there wanted to see it done. But i had one big problem experienced thread users should take a swing at why i couldn't repeat the trick =(. I then busted out a full on routine filled with a two card monte, bittle trick, indecent, a little ambitious card, and i even ended it with fraud (im always prepared to perform that trick, its my fav.)well it all was great except during the whole performance the girl kept saying "do the moving cards one!" and it totally killed the whole mood i was trying to set the routine to. so i wanted to start this thread to discuss a little about routine structure. I'm sure that the more experienced magicians like night and black mage can help us out with that. and a little word of advice "even though a trick may be very simple to do sometimes it can hit the hardest and if you perform it to early in your routine it will overshadow all the other tricks you do." |
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XzachXleeX
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| 07/19/2007 1:45 PM |
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| i am soo srri that happened to you i know exactly what happened to you. i once made that mistake during a performance, i did the flat line too early, and the person kept asking to see it during the rest of the performance.... but as far as a rouine structure, i come up with a little set list of what tricks go with other tricks, what i can link together, that is for my actuall performance list, then i do the same thing with all of my impromtu tricks, arrange them in "reaction order". it seems a little nerdy but it helps me, so i know not to do like somehting big like stigmata before i do a coin vanish. |
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Jon King
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| 07/19/2007 2:59 PM |
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| yeah, putting tricks in order is a hard thing to do. Like if theres some kind of deck setup you kind of have to do those tricks first. but they may be some of your better tricks and then everything just goes downhill. |
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Eagle
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| 07/19/2007 3:06 PM |
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| yeah as for deck set up and stuff i found like opening with a two card monte is the best way to go becuase you already have your queens or aces or whatever cards you like to use ready to go and dont have to waist any time |
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Jon King
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| 07/19/2007 3:07 PM |
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| yeah, Thats a good idea, but sometimes i just do two card monte with the first four cards on top of the deck, whatever they are. It still has the same effect. you just have to make sure you really stress the first two cards so when they change the person gets it. |
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XzachXleeX
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| 07/19/2007 5:47 PM |
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| if i have a chain of set up tricks i just put one set up ontop of the other adn do nothing but false cuts and shuffles |
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Jon King
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| 07/19/2007 8:26 PM |
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| thats a good idea. I'll have to use that one. thanks zach. |
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XzachXleeX
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| 07/20/2007 6:37 PM |
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| it is the safest way to do set up tricks especially gaffed tricks using the gaff deck |
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Night
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| 07/22/2007 7:37 PM |
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I take it you got away with showing the trick again... Good. Now you learn haha (evil laugh)
Anyways - yes in an impromptu show. I would start with weaker stuff again to build the crowd and kinda get em wanting more.
When I do impromptu myself I still do the same show I do if i'm table hop'n or working a walk around. I talk - joke - do tricks and have fun. I kinda let the group show me the way to go - but I know how and when I will do what. (Not sure if I said that right) If I know I have a great closer but I can see this is a group that will freak out on a trick that I think is okay but I can tell they will freak - then I close with that. Then I stop!
Better to leave em wanting more. Then if they ask enough I would do my closer.
As far as my stand-up comedy magic and the same with my hypnosis show. I build. I come out HARD to begin with. THis shows them that I'm good and in comedy clubs, bars etc I love this because they WOW DID YOU SEE THAT S#&T.. Shut up man I wanna check this out. Then I do what I look at as a rollercoaster. I hit hard then I go for fun then slow down just a bit, then boom fast and funny then a great trick, then some small jokes, then big great trick so it goes up and down and up and down. This way they don't get burned out and at my shows people laugh a lot - so I have to give em time to laugh and think. I hope I made some kinda since and I hope it helped.
As fas as working up with a stack deck. I have 3 effects that I force cards. If I can I walk up with the deck stacked or I do an add on later. If I can't do that I just cull the cards in the show. |
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bushinmarcos
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| 09/21/2007 1:02 PM |
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i have found many ways to connect tricks but i usually just do a trick , then go to somebody else and do a different one,im not the type of magician that gets 10 or 15 people at the same time, ill get 5 or 7. ill get my trick ready as i walk to another crowd but i do it undercover. |
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Aus
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| 07/07/2008 6:49 PM |
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This is always the hazard of an impromptu show. In my high school days, I had much the experience in the same sorts of situations. Although you may have broken the golden rule of leaving the best till last, I would feel more concerned with the repeating the same trick twice.
You lose a lot of the mystery after the first performance as the effect of the trick is now revealed where it is now a known entity on the second performance and the spectators will know where to look and scrutinise the effect more harshly. Given the method you used I would think you would have had to politely decline or risk a repeat performance and therefore the exposure of the trick nether a great choice in my opinion and hesitate a guess why you where reluctant to do a repeat performance.
If anything it highlights the distinct differences between a more formal performance where elements are controlled ie: lights, blocking, and music. To a situation where there are many variables as to the ones you accounted which is beyond your control. I would have classified the haunted deck using IT as an effect best suited to a formal situation where you have more control over your performing arena as to eliminate the venerability’s inherent in the trick. But that’s just my opinion.
Part solution to the problem is find effects that can be performed under such conditions. There are many haunted deck effects out there with some being more clear then others but you may have to sacrifice clarity of effect for repeatability and reliability, a choice that you will have to make for yourself.
And for the record I doubt very much that performing just for that one girl would have been the catalyst for her to get you repeat the trick, as often is the case that tricks of the Haunted Decks Calibre ask to be repeated due to there unbelievable effect anyway. Often by those who saw the first performance in the first place.
Look at effects that magicians use in table hopping and restaurant magic situations as the conditions mimic those of a impromptu performance. They need to be compact and self contained, have little or no reset, and be able to be performed with ease from one table to another. All of which are element you would be looking for in an impromptu performance.
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